HA! I taped that too.

I remember when the old AMC aired King Kong in it's uncut glory for the first time anywhere in decades. What a show! They did Citizen Kane too. Once upon a time, AMC was instrumental in creating the business of movie restoration. And if that isn't enough, every halloween AMC showed all the classic Universal monster movies unedited and commercial free. Yay!

I suspect that the truth is that MGM's movie library owned by Turner scared them so much they wet their beds at the thought of trying to directly compete with them when TCM was a start up. So, being goofy media executives they decided to dump host Bob Dorian, add commercials and target housewives instead of classic movie buffs.

Kinda' like what happened to Tech TV when those goofy media executives decided to target teenagers instead of tech enthusiasts.

Anyway, you're right - AMC blows.

Meanwhile, TCM gets better every year.

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Dave,

One of the things I really like about TCM is that, for the most part at least, they show the widescreen versions of movies and not the dreaded "pan and scan" versions. I don't own a widescreen TV (yet), but even with my "standard" screen I much prefer to see the "letterbox".

I could easily be mistaken (since I watch AMC so seldom now), but I don't recall seeing many widescreen movies on AMC.

Dave, I've got to agree with you. AMC was a jewel for classic movie lovers. My wife loved it. Bob Dorian really added class. TCM started almost as a copy-cat, but it has now surpassed AMC in every way, making it the go-to channel for classic movies. AMC seems little better than network's ""Saturday Night at the Movies."

Hey, I'm a housewife and I don't feel like AMC was trying to target me at all. I don't know who would enjoy the mess they have now. I too loved the classic movies, Bob Dorian, and their own Remember WENN. I switched to TCM as well but if AMC went back to their old ways I would watch them too. It seemed like they had a few movies that TCM might not have and I did love Remember WENN. I hear they aren't even willing to sell that show on DVD. They really don't make sense at all.

I COMPLETELY agree with you, Dave. It seems AMC carefully chose their words when they dumbed down and diluted their network. The real reason of course, that they show newer movies (not even GOOD new movies) and barrage us with commercials is to add to their bottom line. As a final insult they edit the movies. This completely ruins the original vision of filmmakers and along with commercials can destroy pacing, tone, character development, and the plot line in general. It's not even like they HAD to move in this direction- TCM shows that it's possible to maintain the integrity of classics and still profit. I do not watch AMC and I do not support their advertisers. Keep in mind that it's not just "old fogies" that feel this way: I'm a viewer in my early 20's- the "golden" target audience...

I am new to blogging but my first is called Movie Sensation/ My true passion movies 1930 1940. I just finished watching "Angels with Wings" (not sure that is the right title) with Jean Arthur and Cary Grant. I love the way they wrote screen plays then and it is always the ending I want. The camera gives the actor/actess time to show emotion, lets them really act when they fan in on the face. I can hardly believe who they gave the Oscar to this year - just killing, killing and it was hardly the ending anyone wanted. Why they praised the director/writer Martin Scorcee only shows how truly screwed up the morals in Hollywood are. They have done a 360 from what they used to be. What I love about old movies is the good feeling I always have when I watch a black & white. Please read my blog and respond. Thank you Dale

Dale,

Wouldn't a 360 mean they are still moving in the same direction?

Is TCM now editing films? I "ordered" On Golden Pond on TCM On Demand, and they inserted silence over specific curse words. In one scene where a boy says "Bullshitting" all we hear is "______ing". In an earlier scene where Norman asks what happened to the "goddamn" Orioles (I think), all we hear is "____damn".

This bothers me because for such a classic film as this, for them to be silencing curse words is stupid. A year or 2 ago I "ordered" Network on the same TCM On Demand, and they did NOT edited it....and this one has the F word in there.

TCM, I hope you're not resorting to becoming like AMC.

Our family and friends are still wondering what happened to Bob Dorian on AMC. We enjoyed his presentation as much as his commentary and movie picks. The stiff you have now, Osborne, presents like Public Speaking 101. He walks toward the camera, touches his ring finger and after a few beats, puts his hand in his pocket. The same actions every time. The current presenter is boring and we don't watch that channel much since you dropped Dorian and the previous format.

I loved AMC when Bob Dorian was host. What has become of him? Also, do you know the title of a black and white classic that was shown by Dorian on AMC where the main character does a lot of club hopping and orders cocktails called sidecars everywhere he goes? Thanks

Channel flipping the other night, my husband paused on AMC and said, "This used to be a good channel when Bob Dorian was around, good movies and no commercials." I thought maybe Bob Dorian was dead, and Googled his name, ended up here. Very good website, good exchange of thoughts and ideas. Not much we can do about the stupid mistakes of others, except protest in a great blog like this. But we CAN keep flipping till we home in on TCM, 99% of the time. Best TV available, in our opinion.

Wow! Couldn't believe the note from Tom Novak and mention of Tech TV. Hit the nail on the head. Another stupid mistake, as he pointed out. I've been angry for a long time about that, too. Seems when idiots are in charge, they screw up the best of things. So sad that AMC and Tech TV had to bite the dust and then get plain ugly.

I was so glad to see someone with the same attitude toward that whore from hell, AMC.

They are WORSE than the other commercial channels, I think. They DESTROY any movie they get their devilish hands on.

They are UNWATCHABLE!

ARRRRRGHHH.

What a nice surprise to find this blog. I'm another fan of the old films and the golden days when AMC was the go-to place for the classics. I'd also be happy to update you on the whereabouts of Bob Dorian (he's my Dad). His contract was up at about the same time the format was so drastically changing, and so it was a mutual parting of ways. Since AMC, he returned to acting and spent a number of years in theatrical productions around the country (as Arvide in Guys & Dolls, Flo Zeigfeld in Funny Girl and John Barrymore in Barrymore - roles that fit right in with his favorites, don't you think?) He spent a year on the National Tour of the Wizard of Oz, working with Mickey Rooney and Eartha Kitt and appeared in a few films (Woody Allen's Hollywood Ending and Curse of the Jade Scorpion - which is my favorite for his gum-shoe character). Anyway, he is very much alive and well and thrilled to hear that anyone even remembers him. (By the way, Karen Korkmas: he wondered if you might be thinking of William Powell and Myrna Loy in The Thin Man - though their drink of choice was a Martini.)

Hi Melissa,
Thanks for the update on your father. My son and I speak of old movies all the time and reminisce about the movies he grew up with on AMC and your father is a backdrop to his experience. Interestingly, I met your father the day he shot a very well used promo for AMC at San Francisco's Castro Theatre. I met him across the street from the theatre as he was on his way there. Consequently, that promo was used for years thereafter as AMC promoted the history of America's movie palaces. I remember asking him what he was doing in town and he told me that he was here to visit his daughter! I remember being impressed with his stature and what a gentleman he was. Karen had a what-was-that-movie question and I have had one that I have kept under my hat for years in case I ran into Bob again on the street. I will take the opportunity here to ask you what this movie is. The movie, a black and white, takes place in New York City in the early 1950's. It is a Saturday afternoon and from the beginning of the movie this character decides he is going to jump from the building in which he works. He climbs out on the ledge and the entire movie is about getting him down from this precarious position.
Anyway, thank you for the information about your father, we all miss seeing him on a regular basis and I will have to rent Curse of the Jade Scorpion again to see him in it.
Best regards, Christian

For years, back in the 80s & 90s I loved AMC. Most of my home-recorded video tapes from the "VHS Era" were the great movies shown on AMC. I fully agree with all of you who say that this channel now sucks - and I avoid it at all costs. I love classic movies that are uncut and I head straight for TCM every time I turn the set on. It is a crime what AMC has done to the movies they DO show - all butchered up, intermingled with loud obnoxious commercials.
I remember the "Bob Dorian" days well. He is present on many of my tapes introducing the classics AMC used to show. I miss seeing him (and don't forget Nick Clooney was also another great host)...as I curse the day the "powers that be" at AMC changed (ruined) their format in 2002.
With the advent of DVD, the internet and other modern channels to obtain movies, who wants to see censored, cut-up movies with commercials as we had to do back in the 1960s & 70s on the old networks?
AMC has lost a lot of loyal viewers, including me.

I do not have that info; I'm sorry i do not know how to get a url number... but please do something about all those commercials; yes, i know you have to have them...but whew every 5 minutes? and five commercials per minute? it's just too,too much!

First time user; love it, I too Taped Bob Dorian's comments and Nick Clooney also, before the movie, miss them both and hope they are well.
I also taped the AMC logo before the show started, I have been collecting movies atarting with My BETAMAX in 1976. I now never copy AMC junk. Thank You!!
Sam aka Boompa

In answer to Christian's question, the movie about the man standing on the ledge deciding whether to jump or not is called "Fourteen Hours." I don't think it is available on video or DVD, which is a little strange considering it's Grace Kelly's first film role. She plays the young woman deciding whether to get a divorce. I bought a VHS copy of it from Ebay. I'm glad to know there are so many other people out there who feel as I do about AMC changing their format. Some of my most cherished films are those "hard-to-find" classics that I recorded from AMC (including the intro's by Bob Dorian). It's wonderful to hear from Melissa about her dad, Bob, and that he is doing well.

I found this site by searching on Bob Dorian's name, as I was also trying to find out what he did after AMC. I, too, bemoan the loss of what was once my favorite channel, bar none. I suspect the one writer was right when s/he said that AMC must have freaked out when TCM came along and did such a great job. Seems a poor excuse, though. The trouble is, there are now many movies I want to see again that were on AMC and never seem to be shown on TCM. One movie in particular is one I have no title for, and it's been bugging me for years. Now I can't write to Bob Dorian to ask if he knows: It's about a woman whose husband is so busy working that, out of boredom, she decides to get involved in local theatre. He then becomes jealous. There are all these hilarious vignettes wherein she imagines this and that going terribly wrong - sort of like Tom Ewell does in "The Seven Year Itch." I remember that the title of this movie involves the concept of jealousy. Any help?

Lisa, that's a totally tough question. All I could dig up was "Husbands are so Jealous" from 1934, but even IMDb is pretty useless for more information: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0497115/ Sorry I can't do better. Can you give us some additional clues? B&W or color? 30s, 40s, 50s? Was the *wife* the main character, or the husband?

amc?, tv guide?, billy mays (fingernails on a chalk board!!)

HI,
I'm with you. I rarely watch AMC anymore. I hate the commercials and the censoring, ugh!

I couldn't agree with you more. AMC has deteriorated and even though they have some solid titles, they're so chopped up with commercials, it isn't worth my time. When a movie that runs 90 minutes without commercials is blocked off for a 2 hr 30 minute time slot, you know there's trouble. Trivia: AMC's first film was Sunday Dinner for a Soldier starring Anne Baxter & John Hodiak--husband and wife in real life for a time. I raised my kids on AMC, but now, sadly, never watch it. TCM is my channel of choice and Robert Osbourne one of my heroes.

Like others, I found this Googling for Bob Dorian. I was curious about him after finding an old VHS tape of a AMC documentary on war movies, circa 1999(?), featuring Dorian and promos for AMC's film preservation festival. Does this fundraiser still exist? (I doubt it) I can count on one hand the number of times I have watched more than 10 minutes of AMC programming since it abandoned the class movie genre. TCM is great and does it better than AMC ever did, but I still miss the choice of two channels to catch older movies. Dorian was a classy presenter.

Excellent Post indeed. Even if we look at the legal aspect governing the TV censorship, the oldest anecdote dates back to 1930's when Haye's code was first introduced and which mainly focused on derogatory remarks to specific groups and/or communities. But even in that pretetxt, Classic movies produced and released before that era clearly do not fall under this category and hence no need for unnecessary censorship.

Cheers!

What Happen To Bob Dorian who hosted many classic movies on AMC. He was great and full of a whole bunch of movie trivia. He was a great host.

I was very disappointed when AMC changed its format, abandoned the "classic" movies and added commercials. It matters little that they "advertise the least" of any cable channel; the point is, they do. And it ruined what was a great channel. All in the name of greed. Were they not satisfied with revenues generated from 39 million customers? What a shame!

Like many others, I came upon this site looking to find out what happened to Bob Dorian of AMC (after they became unwatchable). Reading all these comments gives me an idea. Why don't they get Bob Dorian to host movies at TCM!!! I like their other hosts, but he would be a very good addition. I always thought his energetic and upbeat introductions to the movies made them more fun.

I too came to this site to try to find what happened to Bob Dorian. AMC was the first place I had ever seen "The Best Years of Our Lives." I love old films because of the old AMC.

Add me to the list of those who found this site by searching for information on Bob Dorian. Melissa, please tell your Dad he is remembered and well liked. And, great column, Dave! Two years or so after the fact I agree with you totally. AMC used to stand for "American Movie Classics", and the great programming and respect shown for the films backed that up. I think they should change the station name to something more accurate to what they do today ... AMWC, perhaps. That would be, "Average Movies With Commercials". Hats off to TMC !

Hi Everyone: I miss Bob Dorian very much, too. No one introduces films better than Bob. His wealth of film knowledge of who, what, where, when, how & why is unsurpassed. I enjoy TCM but it would be richer if they included Bob Dorian. Does anyone know if there is a petition to TCM about this matter?

Olga

I used to watch AMC all the time,but after they quit showing the old classic, I quit watching I hate what they have done with it. It was pleasure to sit down and watch,but its just junk and the same stuff over and over again

I too loved Bob Dorian - Clooney and Burke weren't bad either. It was obvious he had a passion for the oldies and their old theater venues - and conveyed it with every intro. AMC would show movies, good or routine time killers, that couldn't have been seen anywhere else. I grew to be such a fan, I contributed to the preservation effort.

I spit on and curse the sick butchers who changed a great channel into a degenerate defiler of cinema - commercial TV at it's worst. Must be liberal fascists - they destroy everything they get their filthy hands on.

I'm one of the folks who watches movies far older than am I. Bob Dorian was fantastic. Rather than just watch movies, he presented the backstory very well. His work made some even less than stellar movies a heck of a lot more interesting. I don't get TCM on my cable lineup. And truthfully, had pretty much written them off for all of the colorizing they started doing years ago. The new AMC format is an absolute crime against humanity. Why not just run solid infomercials. One more example of suits turning something truly spectacular into a brothel. What a pity.

BRING BACK BOB DORIAN!!! Where he goes, I go!

Add me to the list who found this blog because my wife and I were wondering what happened to Bob Dorian. We watched so many movies on AMC before they changed, we became completely spoiled. Bob, if you read this blog, I just wanted to say thank you. You made watching all movies a real joy.

Thank God we have TCM. I pray whoever is in charge of TCM never dies. I don't know if I could go through another destruction of one of my favorite channels.

Wouldn't it be great if TCM allowed Bob to present a movie on a single day like they do "The Essentials". It would give all of us who use to watch AMC a chance to show everyone who missed those golden days what AMC used to look like. Talk about a plus for TCM.

The movie where the main character bar hops and order side cars is: "Star of Midnight", 1935 with William Powell. I too miss the old AMC format and especially Bob Dorian and Nick Clooney. AMC really is garbage now.

I just e-mailed AMC and told them how much they went down hill in my book when the dumped Bob Dorian. I wish TMC would pick him up. I don't get TCM now but am going to change cable companies so I can. AMC is just like all the other channels now. I no longer watch it. Also AMC made it very difficult on their website to send them an e-mail. ON PURPOSE I THINK. I recommend all Bob Dorian fans e-mail AMC and tell them what they think. Then e-mail TMC and ask them to pick Dorian up.

Bob Dorian apparently left a lasting impression on me too! Like so many others, I googled "Bob Dorian" today and found this blog. I remember him because of his calm demeanor and the interesting way he described films. He's truly 1 of a kind more than (most of)the rest of us, ha! Today "Rachel and the Stranger" was on TCM and it suddenly the voice of Mr. Dorian was inside my head talking on its own!

clarification: Mr. Dorian described the movie "Rachel and the Stranger" while hosting AMC. So there is some relevance, fyi! ha! They are in the process of ruining the Boomerang channel but it's still much better than AMC. But hey, at least AMC had "The She-Creature" for Halloween. AMC even screwed up the Halloween fest by changing from "Monsterfest" to Fear Fest.

I lament the way AMC has gone and never watch it anymore, but most of all I miss Bob Dorian. In 1991, I was very sick and going through a terrible time, all I could stand to watch were the old movies of the 30's, 40's and some of the 50's. But what made it special for me was Mr. Dorian's kind demeanor, sense of humor and the regularlity with which I could look forward to seeing him. I finally did recover, but Bob Dorian and the wonderful classic movies had alot to do with it. I was so sorry to see him and the format go! I'd love to see Bob Dorian join the team at TCM. Any chance?? Many of us would be thrilled!!

Very sincerely,

Lisa Francesca

MEGA-DITTO'S AMC is nearly unbearable to watch. The last 10 minutes of movies become 10s of minutes due to short air time of movie -vs- long air time of comm's. AMC also likes to show the SAME MOVIE OVER AND OVER Ad Finitum during a few week period.
Thank Goodnes for TCM.

why has TCM ceased to appear in Switzerland, instead of which there are those dreadful cartoons.Is there a reason for this ? If so, what?

The Nashville Network used to be programming centered around Nashville music. Then it became TNN and added a bunch of TV reruns and other garbage and eventually it became Spike TV. So the channel that had the Grand Ol' Opry and Fandango now has UFC, and Star Trek and CSI reruns.
Game Show Network used to be nothing but awesome classic game shows. Then they shrunk their library to run reruns of a handful of gameshows, and took their vast library of black n white game shows that made their channel great, and moved them to a half hour time slot in the early hours of the morning. Then it became GSN and showed a little bit of gameshows mixed with reality TV and other nonsense. Now GSN is a game show network again with some newer, mostly crappy game shows and a handful of old reruns. Nothing like the original.

AMC and MTV are the only channels remaining, to my knowledge, that have maintained their call letters even though they've drastically changed formats. Like many of you, I found this site by googling Bob Dorian. Like most of you, I loved watching AMC day and night, showing me movies I'd never seen before and movies you can't see on TCM. That channel has been discontinued and in its channel slot is now a random channel with a false advertising channel name that attempts to lure the people who USED to watch the channel, even though they changed programming that intended to completely TURN OFF the people who initially watched the channel!

This is what happens when the brain children of these great networks end up relinquishing their leadership roles to people who had no interest in this programming when the channels started, and have no interest in the integrity of the programming. Thank God TCM is still around, but I'm afraid it's only a matter of time before a new person takes over TCM and decides it would be really bitchin' to completely scrap old movies and go with the same formula AMC has gone with...trying to appeal to all while turning off everybody. To me, AMC is off the air, and that's really sad.